OFFICIAL TRIP HEADCOUNT:
sarah & rick
brian & friend
yjchris


OFFICIAL TRIP MEETING SPOT:
10am, channel 4
Lake Arrowhead Village


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I've got some friends camping up there that weekend. Anyone want to put together a run?

Brian.

the SD 4Wheelers are going to be up there too. we've been invited to hook up with them!

I'm up for whatever. I haven't done PS or JB yet so either or both would be good for me.:yay:

I'm thinking Saturday for wheelin' at this point, I have to figure out what campsite my buddies gonna be at so I can pick him up. It'll be his first time wheelin' out here, should be fun.

I'd like to get out of the city on Friday though... how 'bout a party in the sprawling metropolis of Apple Valley??? Or should we camp???

hmm, party!? apple valley!?!
crikes mate, c'mon over!

yee haw!!!:yay:

We've been invited to join the SD club?

Yay partay! Does that mean we can play foose at my house? I guess I should vacuum...lol. Maybe we can tear some stuff apart on your jeep brian! Make a list, check it twice, and we can do some mods that are nice....ya gotta sing it, it sounded ok in my head! Did you fix your driveshaft problem?

:shades:

yeah, jimsboatworks said, remember rick? hey! maybe we'll get the pool table too! :D

Originally posted by rick
Did you fix your driveshaft problem?

:shades:

The new u-joint is on it's way. Maybe we can swap 'em on Friday if I don't get it done before hand.

:yay:

Wow!!! I almost said "but i have to work friday", but I don't!!! Yay for days off! That's cool man, bring it over. I like using hammers. It's too bad the 4th isn't on a Thursday, then we would get 2 days off....

on the bright side... at least it's not Saturday!!!:yay:

I dont think I'll be making thins one :(

Will you miss me :D

most definately.:D

o.k. folks, we need to set a meeting time and place. My friend is gonna be at "Boulder Group Camp", anyone heard of it/know where it is? Sarah, are we joining the SD group?

i plan on going...Im going up sat. morrning.I just need to know where.Also what trailsare we runnig?

yeah, with one of them at least ... i'll find out the plans.

i wont be making this one :( i have to finish the jeep repairs.. and do a family thing on the fourth.

Quinn from the Dirt Devils emailed in about 3N34 (Dishpan) and said it will be open for the 4th. I'd like to run it! The SD 4Wheelers or at least a few of them are also running John Bull. I still need to contact them and find out the exact details. Where do we want to camp?

Crab Flats!!! That's my vote anyhoo.... what do the rest of ya think? Thas assumin there's any spaces left...if we don't go until sat, we may be stuck campin in my rec room....lol.

:shades:

Y'all should try to find Pontiac Sluice. Its a really fun trail, plus we need someone to find it :P . . . noone really knows where it is :P 2n01 or 2n02 sticks in my mind for some reason. I believe it is adopted by the Riverside 4X club, or something

just a thought :P :D

SD4Wheeler - Jim, where are ya! Let's figure something out. The SD dudes have a group campsite that we might be able to stay at, if we even decide to stay. It would be funner tho, to stay! Here's their plans, from their web site.

SD Plan (http://www.sd4wheel.com/bigbear03.htm)

I emailed Jim and told him to log in.
:D

Hey Sarah and Gang!
Kelly and I will be getting up to Big Bear on Thursday for our wedding and reception.... I'm not sure what or if we are going on a run on Friday(hangover? hope not!), but we'll be there for sure Saturday to do John Bull Trail....Ask any of the Sandy 4's for Jim Brackeen or look for the white YJ with the Eugene the Jeep stuffed toy strapped to the spare....
So it looks like SD 4 Wheel's runs are starting at 8:30 for John Bull and 9:00 for 3N93 for the red runs on Friday AND Saturday.... Onyx Peak Friday night too(5:30) if you want a night run...
There are also two green runs that leave at the same times... So if you show up at Grays Peak Camp at 8:15 or so you shold be able to get hooked up on a drivers meeting... See you guys there!

Jimbo

Wish I had one of those cool little pictures!

It's near Onyx peak....

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid67/pcd71285db19614e9780ee8787a567507/fbd04bfc.jpg
here is a small pic for you, jimbo :)

to use it, here are the steps...
1. save the pic to your computer
2. go to users cp
3. change options
4. change avatar
5. browse your computer to where you saved it...
thats it

Originally posted by carrizojim
Wish I had one of those cool little pictures!

hehe, start posting up a storm:
"If you have more than 10 posts, you may also specify your own custom avatar."

you ought to know about the "posting up a storm" stuff there :)

Hey Thanks for the pic Erik! I'm getting there.... The guys in my shop tell me I talk too much!

yay jim you made it! :D
welcome to our humble little site we call 'home.'
we plan on heading up saturday morning, and we're at least an hour away. 8:15 seems a little early - we were talking about meeting up at 10am and doing dishpan first, then maybe holcomb and john bull.

maybe we can meet up with you at your camp towards the early evening and do the night run with ya. or maybe find ya around 10 if you think you'll know where you'll be. what do you think?

is there room at your group campsite for a few more people? i don't think we have a headcount for this trip yet, we need to look back thru the posts and figure it out.

OFFICIAL TRIP HEADCOUNT:
sarah & rick
brian & friend
yjchris


OFFICIAL TRIP MEETING SPOT:
10am, channel 4
Lake Arrowhead Village

(this is also at the beginning of this thread)

to be more specific... the mcdonalds at lake arrowhead village. right?

the parking lot there isn't that big ... we'll be able to find each other. but sure, towards the mcdonalds is good. mmm, breakfast. :D

We're going to be at the group camp in the evening on Saturday.... We're having a pot lock... If you hear alot of chatter on Channel 4 its because the club usually monitors that frequency.... We're staying until Monday, so maybe we can hit a trail Sunday morning/afternoon?

is there room for more at the group camp site? it's so late in the game already i'm not sure if we'll be able to reserve a spot somewhere for sat. nite. if we have somewhere to stay i'm sure we'd be up for a sunday morning run at least!

we're usually on ch. 4 too so hopefully we'll hear ya!

:D

There was alot of room last year... everyone split the cost on the site, it only cost us a couple of dollars. It has a toilet, but no running water...

great, i think there's a couple more people from another forum joining us, so maybe count in about 5? are you still doing the nite run? we can come find you at the site for that.

Don't have too much fun with out me!:P

Yah, Crab Flats is full.... :(

dont' worry dukes, we won't. whens your tj due in?

I'm not sure if we're going on the night run Thursday, but I'm sure there will be a couple of other ones, they usually can't help themselves... Five of you shouldn't be any problem... its a good sized fairly flat area mostly under the trees....

what about the saturday nite run?

Originally posted by sarah
dont' worry dukes, we won't. whens your tj due in?

1-2 weeks from today, but the lady said probably close to 1 week :8

The only night runs I see are on Thursday and Friday...
I got this off of the SD 4 Wheelers flyer.... Kelly and I are supposed attend... I'm sure some of the guys will be going on a run sometime that evening.

SATURDAY NIGHT POTLUCK
The Club will be graciously providing food and drinks to all members. Everybody is invited. Even guests will be included (For a nominal fee). Please RSVP to sd4wheel@yahoogroups.com for members and any guests that are coming with you, or that you know are coming.

Let me know and I'll RSVP Aida to let her know how many of you want to eat, they are cooking tri-tips, I'm sure there will be plenty of fixins...

if everyone wants to go, and i think they do, we'll be there. we'll bring our own stuff tho - so don't worry about feeding us or watering us! unless someone else in the group has a different idea, that sounds like the plan. i don't know whre the campsite is tho, but i'm guessing rick does ... rick?

It's right off 3N14, on 2N13, near Fawnskin. We drove past it on the way out the last time up there. Easy to get to, but on the far side from us. We could maybe even take Coxey Truck Trail on the way, and go past Big Pine Flat. From there, we just continue on 3N14, pass Holcomb Creek, and it's just a few miles down from there. Or maybe we should just take the road so it doesn't take 2 hours...lol!

Take the road???! Sacrilege!

Originally posted by carrizojim
Take the road???! Sacrilege!

LOL, how about this: Take the road . . . less traveled? :D

We'll see you guys Saturday... We're going to be at Grays Peak campground Saturday after our run, I'm sure you'll find more folks to go on a night run......And maybe something Sunday?

I'll be seeing you guys there... Won't be back on until Tuesday... Got to pack my gear and stuff for the !GULP! wedding.... I won't be single after tomorrow! Yikes!!! Any gal that would rather have Jeep parts instead of and expensive ring, I'm hanging on to!

anyone got an open front seat? My friends brother in law wants to come along.

Originally posted by blkTJ
anyone got an open front seat? My friends brother in law wants to come along.

What happened to your front seat . . . take it out? :P :D

MY FRIEND (who will be in my pass seat) has a brother in law that wants to come along.:D :rolleyes: :yay:

It was a great trip - a little more "relaxing" that usual ... LOL. Rick, Brian, and I met up with Goodtimes and Scott + a very slow s-10 to run the newly opened and almost finished dishpan creek and holcomb trail.

Dishpan's looking great, and we met up with the Dirt Devils. They're workin' hard on the run to give us some really good rock gardens!

After the runs we met up with the SD 4Wheelers and Jim and Kelly. Congrats again you guys! Sorry we slept most of the morning and didn't hang out with yas ... :P

We also met up with some of Brian's friends who were a complete riot! This morning we ran John Bull, since we didn't get to it Saturday nite - and came back really dirty!!

Here's a preview of the pixs! Other milestones reached include Rick's CJ hitting 199,000 miles and no one in town having ice!

The new bridge:
http://www.myjeeprocks.com/jeeps/4th_bigbear/IMG_3779.jpg

Oh no! The S-10 strapped!?!?
http://www.myjeeprocks.com/jeeps/4th_bigbear/IMG_3795.jpg

Rick on the rock garden still under construction, after the bridge:
http://www.myjeeprocks.com/jeeps/4th_bigbear/IMG_3800.jpg

Rick & Brian creeping up the Dishpan waterfall (trying to avoid 800 bikes and a really stupid guy dragging a quad downhill):
http://www.myjeeprocks.com/jeeps/4th_bigbear/IMG_3825.jpg

Rick *finally* modifies his steps!
http://www.myjeeprocks.com/jeeps/4th_bigbear/IMG_3849.jpg

Brian does a wheelie Sunday on John Bull's rock garden:
http://www.myjeeprocks.com/jeeps/4th_bigbear/IMG_3883.jpg

Awesome!!! I'm guessing there will be a MJR gallery in due time :D Who was in the S-10?

that looked like fun!

how often was the snatch strap attatched to the s-10? did it make it out without damage?

i'm not sure who the girl was in the s-10, goodtimes knows her i think from the s-10 board. she broke a sway bar bolt, so she was disco'd for the rest of the run! there was alot of creaking and cracking noises going on most of the time, i'm sure blktj will chime in here anytime and give you his .02. :P :D :bacon:

Originally posted by sarah
i'm not sure who the girl was in the s-10, goodtimes knows her i think from the s-10 board. she broke a sway bar bolt, so she was disco'd for the rest of the run! there was alot of creaking and cracking noises going on most of the time, i'm sure blktj will chime in here anytime and give you his .02. :P :D :bacon:

Hmmm, girl huh.


pics:D

Originally posted by Dukes69
Hmmm, girl huh.


pics:D
:D :duke:

ummm, no pics really, this is myJEEProcks not myS10rocks, cuz s-10s don't rock - jeeps do! focus here! :P

Originally posted by sarah
ummm, no pics really, this is myJEEProcks not myS10rocks, cuz s-10s don't rock - jeeps do! focus here! :P

I agree Jeeps rock lol S-10's are ..........

I dont want S-10 pics, I want chick pics

Originally posted by Dukes69
I dont want S-10 pics, I want chick pics

Me too and thats a order!lol

Originally posted by TACOJ-7
Me too and thats a order!lol

no need to be pushy

Originally posted by Dukes69
I dont want S-10 pics, I want chick pics

no, Chris... you don't.

Originally posted by blkTJ
no, Chris... you don't.
nuff said, thank you Brian

:D :yay: lol

ummm ....

Originally posted by blkTJ
no, Chris... you don't.

yup. (as in no)

Nice girl, 'bit young, needs a locker.....and a jeep.:P

goodtimes - you got that right! :P

Originally posted by goodtimes
yup. (as in no)

Nice girl, 'bit young, needs a locker.....and a jeep.:P

How many lockers lol

Originally posted by NAILER341
how often was the snatch strap attatched to the s-10?


I lost count. That's the perfect new name for it though... no longer will I call it a tow stap. think about it.

This is where I thought I'd get on my soap box... but I'm not gonna. I'm tired, dirty and I've got a headache. So this is all you get...

In the future, if your planning on inviting people on runs that someone else has organized... please be sure that both they and their vehicle are up to the task. This will make the run much more enjoyable for all.

no offense is meant by this post. I think you know what I mean.

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Originally posted by NAILER341
how often was the snatch strap attatched to the s-10?
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I lost count. That's the perfect new name for it though... no longer will I call it a tow stap. think about it.
:yay: :D lol YOU ARE RIGHT!
You get an "attaboy"

Originally posted by blkTJ
I lost count. That's the perfect new name for it though... no longer will I call it a tow stap. think about it.

This is where I thought I'd get on my soap box... but I'm not gonna. I'm tired, dirty and I've got a headache. So this is all you get...

In the future, if your planning on inviting people on runs that someone else has organized... please be sure that both they and their vehicle are up to the task. This will make the run much more enjoyable for all.

no offense is meant by this post. I think you know what I mean.

No offence taken (really). But I didn't lose count of how many times we hooked a strap to the S-10. Wanna know? 3. All on Dishpan Springs. She did need quite a bit more spotting than the rest of the group though.

Sorry if anyone was annoyed by being slowed down by the S-10 needing more help than the rest of us.

Originally posted by goodtimes
No offence taken (really). But I didn't lose count of how many times we hooked a strap to the S-10. Wanna know? 3. All on Dishpan Springs. She did need quite a bit more spotting than the rest of the group though.

Sorry if anyone was annoyed by being slowed down by the S-10 needing more help than the rest of us.
i wasnt there, so it did'nt bother me a bit :)
glad to finally see you over here goodtimes. i have been still fixing the damage from my last run. ready soon:D

Just heard about the site...now I know why JF has been kinda slow lately.

Saturday was a long hot one. Late start, too many bikes on the trail, Dishpan Springs gave a couple of us alot of trouble (I havent had that much trouble with it since I ran it the first time--and blew up the driveshaft in my S-10). I managed to push the back edge of my belly pan up about 3 inches, and bent the right rear LCA. I have a new arm, but I don't know what I am going to do about that belly pan yet. Something has to be done before the 17th.

just drop it and smash it out with a sledge.. takes about an hour or so.

That is an option, but why just bang the stock POS back into a shape that will just keep getting me hung up on rocks? I think I'll call Tri-county and see what they have....I don't think Kilby is done with his yet (well, he wasn't done last week when I stopped by to get the steering box skid).

But if worse comes to worse, the BFH will be introduced to the belly pan.:D

Originally posted by goodtimes
That is an option, but why just bang the stock POS back into a shape that will just keep getting me hung up on rocks? I think I'll call Tri-county and see what they have....I don't think Kilby is done with his yet (well, he wasn't done last week when I stopped by to get the steering box skid).

But if worse comes to worse, the BFH will be introduced to the belly pan.:D

Hmmmm

Belly up :D

Originally posted by Dukes69
Hmmmm

Belly up :D

Yea, I was thinking that....but I just got off the phone with Tri-County Gear...They want......(sit down)........$910 for their belly pan!:eek:

It looks like I'll be getting the hammer out.

sounds like you guys had fun, albeit at a very slow pace :D

i got some more boxes emptied (the pile is getting smaller all the time!), got my new leafs installed, and my pass. side door is now quick-disconnectable :D :D

best part is the springs were buy one, get one free :eek: :8

oh yeah, also watched some fireworks and drank some beer

:hat:

one thing that i don't think has been said about this trip comes from rick, brian and myself -

we're really sorry we were so late. we were up working on rick's jeep (hahah, i say we like i was helping!) and were pretty slow in the morning.

Yup, it was late....but - got the new ball joints on, and she goes down the road straight and steady now (they were pretty bad ;) ). I only wish we had time to work out the winch mounting before we went up so i could test it out.

A little on bringing strangers on runs, I've learned to give them two bits of information, first one is a safty equiptment list and second is a simple trail difficulty list... the standard 1-10 difficulty list doesn't tell too much, so we use a color code of green-red-black as follows:

Green Run:
Suitable for stock vehicles and/or novice drivers. May have some challenges, most will have bypasses. Expericed people should be available to instruct and spot through rough areas. Safety equipment recommended, but only roll bar/hardtop, seat belts, first aid kit, parking brake, and jack/spare tire are required. Body damage unlikely, except that caused by driver error. Some trails may be overgrown, resulting in paint scratches.


Red Run:
Recommended for experienced drivers; at least one locking differential or good limited slip is highly recommended. Safety equpitment is a must. Rough areas may not have bypasses. Some runs may require additional equipment. Occasional body damage is quite likely, drivetrain breakage is also possible.


Double Red Run:
A few experienced hardcore off-roaders with highly modified vehicles desire runs that will push their vehicle and driving skills to the limit, and that is what these are. At least one locker is REQUIRED, (front & rear lockers, 33" tires and low gears strongly recommended).Mandatory safety and recovery equiptment Some body damage is almost guaranteed, and severe drivetrain failure (axles, driveshaft, etc.) is quite possible. Driver error on some obstacles may result in a rollover. Some runs may require additional equipment.


Black Run:
Those lunatics up in Victor Valley, the Victor Valley 4 Wheelers, have built some trails - Sledgehammer, Jackhammer, Outer Limits, etc. - that are in a class by themselves. Double Red only begins to describe them. Front and rear lockers, 33" or larger tires, and extremely low gearing (60:1 crawl or better) are REQUIRED. A CASUAL ATTITUDE regarding body damage and drivetrain breakage is also necessary.

this is the standard safety equiptment list adopted by Cal4Wheel from the SD4Wheelers:

Safety Requirements
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All vehicles must be street legal and maintained to conform to highway safety standards, as well as meet the minimum requirements listed below. Have the items ready to display at inspection.

Guests on Green runs must have all items marked with an *asterisk.
Guests on Red, Double Red, or Black runs must have all items.
Members are required to have all items.



* 1. Roll bar or full cage or factory hard top.


* 2. Functioning parking brake or Micro lock.


3. Tow strap or rope. No chains or straps with hooks. Recommend rated at 2 times vehicle weight.


* 4. First aid kit (what do you want when you are hurt?). It should be mounted/stored in an easily found and accessible location, so that someone not familiar with your vehicle could find it in a hurry.


* 5. Jack capable of lifting the vehicle and a tool capable of removing lug nuts (don't forget your wheel locks).


* 6. Spare tire equal to or within 3 inches (measured at the outside diameter) of existing tires on the vehicle; must be an appropriate off road type tread. No temporary spares.


7. Fire extinguisher with gauge indicating good, appropriately stored (not a missile hazard). Like the first aid kit, someone not familiar with your vehicle should be able to quickly find and access it.


* 8. Seat belts for driver and all passengers.


* 9. Antennas must not exceed 4'6" (54") in length except when longer antennas/whip are required by certain OHV areas.


* 10. Adequate attachment points front and rear, i.e., tow hooks, receiver, etc. Tow balls are generally rated for only 2,000 pounds, and that is when hooked to a trailer. They can come off with devastating results and are not recommended. Instead, for SUV's without a good tow hook attachment point, use the largest shackle or clevis (generally 1") which will fit in the tow ball hole on your stock bumper.


* 11. Battery hold downs; no bungee cords.


12. Functional 40 Channel CB radio. Handheld (walkie-talkie) types are acceptable but not recommended.


Note: Consumption of alcoholic beverages on the trail is illegal, dangerous, and strictly prohibited. Anyone violating this policy or any illegal activity will be barred from all club activities.

Sorry to get so wordy everyone! I'm sort of a safety fanatic....
It was great to meet Rick, Brian and Sarah! Looking forward to busting some trails with you guys!

i think that about summs it up :) nice list, and recommendations there, jim.
i think it should even be "stuck" at the top of the trail rides section....
MODERATOR?!:wave:

Feel free to permanently post it, it's not copyrighted or anything.....

awesome! :wave:
thanks alot jim - it's good to have a color code like that. we've never really run into this problem before, but now that we're posting open events everywhere, it's good to have it. :D you rock!
thanks erik, for "rockin'" that. :yay:

I've always liked that safety list, with one exception. The antenna length restriction is not well thought out.

For example, my VHF antenna meets the length requirement, but due to its low mounting position, it can still smack people if it isn't tied off. Meanwhile, my 108" CB antenna doesn't meet the requirement even though it is tethered to the top of the jeep so it can't swing out as far as the VHF antenna. Doesn't make sense.

I definately agree that there is a hazard created by antennas swinging around on the trail, but a arbitrary length rule leaves too many loopholes.

I also like the "color code" for runs.

If you bring an antenna like that Cal 4 wheel and SD4wheel would make you remove it or tie it down very well. We like to guide people through the rougher spots and there has been accidents in the past with those long ones! Not fun to a spotter when a vehicle lands in a hole and the antenna whips the tar outta ya! If your shorter antenna also moves a lot, you should also have a tether on it. Use your own descretion and pretend your spotter is your best buddy.....not a coworker! hahaha....

Mrs. Carrizojim

I agree the antennas can be (and are) dangerous, particularly to spotters! (no one else should be that close to a moving vehicle on the trail) Both of my antennas have tethers on them (I don't like being smacked by them, so I don't like to smack people with them either). My opinion is simply that setting a hard and fast rule based on the length of an antenna alone, is not the best way to keep spotters safe from being smacked by them.

Of course, exercizing a little bit of care and common sense will go alot farther than a rule would anyway.

Oh, and if I ever "pretended" my spotter was a co-worker, they would have more to worry about than my lil' old antenna.http://www.gamers-forums.com/smilies/otn/evil/mlaughevil.gif