Hi Everyone...A USC grad student contacted me about a documentary that she is making on and about Four Wheeling. She needs to go out and wheel, and take some footage. It sounds like she has never beed wheeling. I am available this Sunday, and plan on taking her to Rowher Flats. Anybody who is interested is more than welcome. Any takers?????????

Originally posted by Qubicon
Hi Everyone...A USC grad student contacted me about a documentary that she is making on and about Four Wheeling. She needs to go out and wheel, and take some footage. It sounds like she has never beed wheeling. I am available this Sunday, and plan on taking her to Rowher Flats. Anybody who is interested is more than welcome. Any takers?????????

I'm in! Rowher is a great trail :8 Kirk, Jim?

Let's get this girl some great footage! Guess that means Al & Chris have to be there too :D :D

:hat:

Sounds like fun to me.You planning on going up the back or front.I haven't been out since Coyote lake. jeff

Don't know, I'll just go with the flow. I don't want to scare her, and will see what she's up for as we get closer to Sunday. I look forward to seeing you on the trail, its been a while.

Originally posted by Qubicon
Don't know, I'll just go with the flow. I don't want to scare her, and will see what she's up for as we get closer to Sunday. I look forward to seeing you on the trail, its been a while.

If you want to keep from scaring her...take a female along. Sarah and Tam have Jeeps that are ready for that run. Besides...if she is doing a thing on Jeeps, she needs to have a representative of the JeepGirl Club.

I may be in, depending on what the Missus would like to do. She and I did Sierra Pelona Road which intersects multiple times with the Rowher trail. Sierra Pelona is pretty tame and she managed it just fine with a stocker Cherokee.

Rowher looked a bit more challenging to say the least. Yeah, I think it'll be fun, but we may have to leave her XJ behind and just take the TJ together.

How important is clearance on Rowher? I only have 30.5" and my oilpan already has a dent the size of a grapefruit from John Bull(oil pressure is still good thank goodness).

My articulation is OK, but who needs articulation when you have lockers:D!

Weather forecast for Santa Clarita looks good. (http://beta.weather.com/weather/local/USCA1019)

BTW, what's the spin on the film? Is this going to be some diatribe about how four-wheelers are spilling MTBE into the groundwater? Just curious as there is no such thing as a truly objective documentary.

maybe.:D

I'm bringing Pagona, and agree that the Jeep Girls Club should be represented. As for the trail dificulty, if we stick to Rowher Trail, a stock XJ should need nothing other than a good spot here and there. I have taken a bone stock, unlocked, all terrain tired XJ over this a few times in the past. As for our oil pans, it sounds like they are related, or at least seeing the same rock.:D I spoke with Alexia (the Student) last night, and gave her the info on this thread. I asked her to check it out, and post if necessary. I think that she is more interested in the culture of wheeling, but I don't see how she can do a good film without at least touching on the enviromental aspects. Its up to us to show her the difference between being an idiot, and a responsible wheeler.:confused: Brian-empty your PM mailbox.....what do you mean mabey?

Hi -- I'm the USC grad student doing the story on offroading. The piece will be shorter than the typical documentary, between 5 and 10 minutes, and yes -- I'm mostly interested in the culture of offroading but need to include some environmental aspects.

I plan to "interview" as many off-roaders as possible to learn about the culture as well as what you do to minimize environmental harm. I'll also interview someone from the other side, for balance. But MAINLY I want the piece to capture the fun, the comradery, etc. involved in offroading.

Hope you all can join us. From the pictures I've seen on the web, this could turn up some great visuals.

If any of you can't make it this weekend but would be willing to do an interview, that would be helpful as well.

Thanks!

Have you been up to Azusa Cyn to watch the Mud runs. Different then a lot of organized runs. If you are looking for people pulling together to help each other out. Then head up there on a sunday and watch 50-100 lifted trucks running thru the deep mud. People help each other out a lot. And besides, the guys covered in mud makes for great footage as people look on.
It is a different aspect compared to the Jeep Trail runs (which are pretty damn fun too).

People really pull together, literally often there are more trucks pulling out a single driver stuck.

Originally posted by Qubicon
I'm bringing Pagona, and agree that the Jeep Girls Club should be represented. As for the trail dificulty, if we stick to Rowher Trail, a stock XJ should need nothing other than a good spot here and there. I have taken a bone stock, unlocked, all terrain tired XJ over this a few times in the past. As for our oil pans, it sounds like they are related, or at least seeing the same rock.:D I spoke with Alexia (the Student) last night, and gave her the info on this thread. I asked her to check it out, and post if necessary. I think that she is more interested in the culture of wheeling, but I don't see how she can do a good film without at least touching on the enviromental aspects. Its up to us to show her the difference between being an idiot, and a responsible wheeler.:confused: Brian-empty your PM mailbox.....what do you mean mabey?

I'm getting better tires this weekend for my TJ...me too? (hate to be a pest and a drag though) :confused:

Originally posted by Qubicon
Brian-empty your PM mailbox.....what do you mean mabey?

it's empty. maybe means I might come, or I might not. maybe.:)

hey, don't you think Miller would offer more places for good photography. Yellowjacket for some rocks?

how about the desert? yeah!! desert!! :D CALICO!

Originally posted by sarah
how about the desert? yeah!! desert!! :D CALICO!

Both places sound ominous...:(

Originally posted by blkTJ


hey, don't you think Miller would offer more places for good photography. Yellowjacket for some rocks?

insert pic here of brians Jeep with Lake Elizabeth(?) in the background that Handlebars took

how can you tell me that's not good photography? :D :D

Is there an official time and place for the Sunday tour?

In order of appearance:
Rowher
Miller
Calico

I'm up for any of the rides. If a stock XJ can tolerate the ride, the Missus may be bringing her Grocery Getter along too!

if it's calico we're most likely in. the others are pretty far for a sunday drive.

Originally posted by jmbrowning
Is there an official time and place for the Sunday tour?

In order of appearance:
Rowher
Miller
Calico

I'm up for any of the rides. If a stock XJ can tolerate the ride, the Missus may be bringing her Grocery Getter along too!

I am debating...depends on Saturday.

if it's rowher that's fine. just thought I'd offer another option. Dave, what time we meeting? where? please resend your other pm. thanks.

I was thinking Rowher due to its proximity, and the fact that I haven't seen that area since the fires rolled through. I would be up for Miller, haven't been there in a while, but I think that Miller is a little tough in the beginning for a stock vehicle. Once up the first hill, its easy. I am open to either trail. I told Alexia to meet me at my house at 9:00 am on Sunday. I figure we could meet at the Rowher Flats staging area at 10:00, or be at the Flying J at 10:00-10:30. Opinions, and who's in?

Originally posted by Qubicon
I was thinking Rowher due to its proximity, and the fact that I haven't seen that area since the fires rolled through. I would be up for Miller, haven't been there in a while, but I think that Miller is a little tough in the beginning for a stock vehicle. Once up the first hill, its easy. I am open to either trail. I told Alexia to meet me at my house at 9:00 am on Sunday. I figure we could meet at the Rowher Flats staging area at 10:00, or be at the Flying J at 10:00-10:30. Opinions, and who's in?

If I get my 31s on Saturday...can I come? :)

Originally posted by qwiksilver
If I get my 31s on Saturday...can I come? :)

yes.:D

Originally posted by Qubicon
I was thinking Rowher due to its proximity, and the fact that I haven't seen that area since the fires rolled through. I would be up for Miller, haven't been there in a while, but I think that Miller is a little tough in the beginning for a stock vehicle. Once up the first hill, its easy. I am open to either trail. I told Alexia to meet me at my house at 9:00 am on Sunday. I figure we could meet at the Rowher Flats staging area at 10:00, or be at the Flying J at 10:00-10:30. Opinions, and who's in?

I'm in. which one? someones got to make a decision.:confused:

Originally posted by blkTJ
no.

Alrighty then :(

Originally posted by qwiksilver
If I get my 31s on Saturday...can I come? :)

yes :)

Rowher seems to have gotten tougher every time i've been there, especially the first loooong hillclimb. Good news is that there is an unpaved road that meanders its way up the hill as well. Imagine the first hill at Miller, make it twice as difficult and ten times longer, and that should give you a good idea :D but, like I said, there's a bypass that goes all the way around it. We had a brand new stock Ford fullsize 4x4 truck make it up last time, remember? :D It got 2 flat tires, but it made it. edit: I meant the truck made it up the tough way, not the bypass :P

Originally posted by blkTJ
no.

HARSH!!! :eek:

Originally posted by qwiksilver
Alrighty then :(

keep reading damnit.

Originally posted by cbremer
HARSH!!! :eek:

Guess I don't have to worry about that hill then.

Originally posted by blkTJ
I'm in. which one? someones got to make a decision.

count me in for Rowher @ 10:00 AM! I hope I'm not there all alone :)

Originally posted by cbremer
Let's get this girl some great footage! Guess that means Al & Chris have to be there too :D :D

:hat:

I would love to be there, but I have racing at El Mirage. If by chance it gets rained out, I'll be there. :8

We will be at the South end of the Rowher trail by 1000 on Sunday.

There are a few side loops on Sierra Pelona that are a bit more challenging, even moreso if it's muddy out. Still probably passable with a stock open diff vehicle with AT tires.

In any case, Sunday's forecast looks like showers with 62 degree highs in Santa Clarita.

Called 661-296-9710 and 626-574-1613. Angeles National Forest is open and no closures.

HTH. I will post GPS coordinates of the staging area.

OK- So Rowher it is. Lets meet at the first staging area parking lot. You can take the 5 north to the 14 east, get off on Sand Canyon. Make a left off the freeway, and continue straight through the canyon. It ends at Sierra Highway. Make a right, and follow Sierra Highway to the sign for Rowher Recreation area. Make a left, and follow the dirt road to the staging area. I will be at the AM/PM on Sand Canyon at about 9:30 stocking up for the day. Sorry, we will be taking the easy way up, and not entering from Bouquet Canyon:8

So are we going South to North for this trip? If so, it should be a lot easier prob easy enough for stocker vehicles even in rain. Going downhill at the very north end of the trail may be hair raising with slick mud. Easy to bypass using the Sierra Pelona trail.

Start from Staging Area 1 means a trip south to north

STAGING AREA 1
N 34,31.600
W 118,22.962
Elevation 2546 feet

Citizens Band Channel 4 (http://myjeeprocks.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=820)

Originally posted by Alexia
If any of you can't make it this weekend but would be willing to do an interview, that would be helpful as well.


Do you need the interview on video?

looks like we might have rain.weather (http://www.weather.com/weather/print/USCA1019)
could make things interesting.:eek:

How about stoping at Big Oaks lodge or someware else for food and BEER :D . or is that BEER and food,wait maybee just BEER:confused:.It will be nice to see everyone again.

Originally posted by scubatch
How about stoping at Big Oaks lodge or someware else for food and BEER :D . or is that BEER and food,wait maybee just BEER:confused:.It will be nice to see everyone again.

good to see your coming out.:8 where's big oaks?

Rowher Flats - 1st staging area - 10:00

I will be there as long as the Rig is not torn down.

Bringing Lynda and Jamie also.

Kool. :8

Kirk

We will run from South to North, exiting on Bouquet Canyon. The Oaks lodge is in the canyon on the way out. I've been looking for a reason to stop there for some time now. I'm up for lunch etc. MMMMM Rain now it gets fun, Glad I didn't wash the Jeep last weekend.

Originally posted by sarah
Do you need the interview on video?

Yes, I'll need to get the interviews on camera. But don't be shy! It's actually pretty fun, and you get used to it after a few minutes.

Originally posted by Alexia
Yes, I'll need to get the interviews on camera. But don't be shy! It's actually pretty fun, and you get used to it after a few minutes.

i was just wondering, because i'm not going to be able to make it this sunday, but still wanted to help out.

Originally posted by sarah
i was just wondering, because i'm not going to be able to make it this sunday, but still wanted to help out.

Let me know if you're interested in setting up an interview then. I'll have a camera this Saturday and next weekend (Thursday evening through Sunday) as well.

Count me in for this Sunday. 11-16-03

94 GC 5.2 V-8
6” Orgs Lift with Accos Spacers
Orgs Rock Sliders
Borla Headers & Borla Muffler
Twin City Dual Air Filters with Map Guide
Rancho 9000rsx Shocks with On-Board Air
JKS Disco’s
33” MTR’s on AR 15x7 ½ Rims
Red Top Optima Battery

CJ is still down but we will show with the TJ. Brian & Sully

Count me in for a couple of hours. I have so much t do to get ready for T-giving "Turkey in the Dirt". But this event is 10 minutes from home, I can't miss this chance to put my jeep into low range. I will run tail-gunner if no one else wants to. I know the area and my CB is working well.
T

Thanks!

it is listed on the calendar. and for future reference, a member can go to the calendar and click PUBLIC EVENT to have any event listed on the calendar :P

If it rains will you guys still be heading out to rowher?

Originally posted by Sully
If it rains will you guys still be heading out to rowher?

I dunno about the rest. but I will.:D

I'm out.

Finishing roll cage.

Originally posted by blkTJ
I dunno about the rest. but I will.:D

Mud? Did someone say mud? :D Mud fun. :D Mud make Jeep pretty. :D

Cetrov...boo...:( But you will have a spiffy new roll bar next time...:D

We will be there at 1000. I will have treats for any other 2003 TJ's that make it.

what???:confused: no treats for the '97s?:eek: :( :rolleyes: :D

Originally posted by 4x4zj
Count me in for this Sunday. 11-16-03

94 GC 5.2 V-8
6” Orgs Lift with Accos Spacers
Orgs Rock Sliders
Borla Headers & Borla Muffler
Twin City Dual Air Filters with Map Guide
Rancho 9000rsx Shocks with On-Board Air
JKS Disco’s
33” MTR’s on AR 15x7 ½ Rims
Red Top Optima Battery

George, you need to cut down on the sig :D

Originally posted by Chris_L
George, you need to cut down on the sig :D

well... if you space yours out a bit different...

00 TJ Flat fendered
4-1 low
HP 44
WJ knuckles & brakes
CTM's
ARB's
shaved HP60
37" MTR's
dual Antirocks
PSC full cage
9.5 TI
M/P superline
http://www.fototime.com/inv/35B3A537D70F0A9

I think you win!!!:D

Originally posted by blkTJ
well... if you space yours out a bit different...

00 TJ Flat fendered
4-1 low
HP 44
WJ knuckles & brakes
CTM's
ARB's
shaved HP60
37" MTR's
dual Antirocks
PSC full cage
9.5 TI
M/P superline
http://www.fototime.com/inv/35B3A537D70F0A9

I think you win!!!:D

Thanks Gilligan :D
Did not want to be out done :D
Did you get stuff done down south this weekend? I installed my flat fenders today....pics to come :8

Originally posted by jmbrowning
We will be there at 1000. I will have treats for any other 2003 TJ's that make it.

Blackjack is a 2003! I win! (Oooo that is the last glass of wine for me.)

Originally posted by Chris_L
Thanks Giligan :D
Did not want to be out done :D
Did you get stuff done down south this weekend? I installed my flat fenders today....pics to come :8

yup, hard to believe I fit 4 35s in the Jeep with the top on!:D I now also have the "poor man's" rear antirock.:8

funny thing, Blaine's installing those too.:D(flat fenders)

Is he installing the PSC tube fenders? I would think he would make his own :D

Originally posted by Chris_L
Is he installing the PSC tube fenders? I would think he would make his own :D

nope, bought um. don't tell...:D

hey, I want the biggest sig.

Originally posted by Cetrov
hey, I want the biggest sig.

you win, I don't feel like typing that much.:D

Damn I caught this thread late ! I will be at the shop later today if you all have any problems !!! feel free to stop by if you need anything . Be Careful on the " HILL" it is super slick when wet and it rained all night last night !

JIM :{>
JC FAB & DESIGN

Rowher Flats South to North GPS waypoints (http://grace.speakeasy.net/~tmoon/rowherflats.txt)

Thanks to ALL!! This was a great run. :D

Originally posted by Qubicon
Thanks to ALL!! This was a great run. :D

I had a good time. :D Made new friends. :D :D

Who needs a hi-lift jack?

Lined up for the big descent

He's not heavy! He's my Rubicon!

:8

[QUOTE]Originally posted by jmbrowning
Great photos...especially the one of the new model of Hi Lift Jack. Much cuter than the old model. :D

I like the "newer" model hi lift. He makes my 31's look like
40's:D

Originally posted by jmbrowning
He's not heavy! He's my Rubicon!

Is that dave from trail crew?
http://www.myjeeprocks.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=8464

could be.:)

What you don't recognize me without the Cruiser.:eek:

Just wanted to say thanks to everyone who came out last weekend. I got a lot of great footage and interviews. When my piece is finished I'll pass a copy on to Dave and Pagona if anyone wants to see it.

Again, thanks for helping me out and for showing me a great time. I enjoyed meeting all of you and trying something new!

Sooooo...did anyone ever see this 'documentary'?

:D :D :D

somebody at work said they saw part of it on a public access or college station at some point. I never saw it.

Yes, Alexia came by and showed us the footage but we are still waiting for our copy. It was pretty cool. It was never supposed to be prime time or anything, just a college project that was going to air on public access, which it did. I just cant remember when as its been a while.